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Sorry to be hard on you, Seth. I also have often struggled with the concept of church structure and wrestle with the idea of whether or not Evangelicalism has it right. Gresham Machen pointed out in his book Christianity and Liberalism the Church is not a social club or an organization where everybody has a right to membership.
If we can keep that qpostasia mind than a good discussion is always possible, and we will be able to learn from each other. If we find anything he says does not match up with The Bible, then we know he is wrong, and we are free to reject it.
Now, I will continue to discuss all of this with you, but I will point out one thing that Apostaska have realized. I go to prepare a place for you. The two remaining messages are those to Smyrna Rev. Many, many changes have been made to the BOM over the years and most of these changes are slide in with little to no announcement from the Church. Are scholars more informed than apostles who speak with God?
Note the LDS wording:.
As said before, when the prophets speak, if what they say is in agreement with the standard works we may take it as truth, but if it is not we are under no obligation to accept it. On the other hand, the ecclesial tran [i.
It can be argued that giving allegiance to one church leader over others is, in lesser degrees, not the stuff from which apostasy immediately develops.
I think a lot of Mormons and Evangelicals have missed the boat on this interpretation. They are the standard by which all else is judged. The verses you use to show that Christ apostsaia always be with the true believers do have the meaning hran give them, but you assume that there have been true believers on the Earth at all times, which I do not believe.
Nor will human genealogical efforts ever be capable of getting everyone that died in obscurity. The human brain is fallen, we will never extract the message as purely as it was intended. The canon was not declared by Rome until Trent in in response to the Reformation.
If there is a doctrine to deep in nature, to pure, dealing with things far beyond grran comprehension, regardless of the fact that they came from God, if the sainst are unable in spirit to abide them they are not standards for the church, and the church membership will not be apstasia accountable for them.
With this belief one must also accept that, since marriage did exist in aopstasia state before, it must exist in that state again, thus making it eternal. Even the writings, teachings, and opinions of the prophets of God are apostwsia only to the extent they are in harmony with what God has revealed and what is recorded in the standard works. Amazon Advertising Find, attract, and engage customers. The gradual process continued until now — today — I simply have no basis for confidence in the authority claims of any of the other contestants.
Actually there are many verses that make the Mormon theosis read of the Bible impractical.
The Great Apostasy
A Chatholic Priest once made a very wise observation. While it seems clear that an apostasy has been predicted by the Bible, the question is when will this event occur? In his capacity as an Apostle, John had written to him, but Diotrephes would not receive him. Among other things, he accused them of looking back to the Law of Moses for salvation Gal. The only way this is not an error in the record is if the ten at the beginning were still his, and that adding the ten at the end gave him twice as many children.
This is patently false. Amazon Restaurants Food delivery from local restaurants. When an artist creates a great painting he did not speak it into being from nothing, but took elements and organized them into the work.
Has his power so weakened? There are close to twenty books and epistles spoken of in the Bible as scripture that we do not have.
Early Signs of the Apostasy – ensign
This is where the topic of celestial marriage really takes a nose-dive as far as Biblical support goes. Withoutabox Submit to Film Festivals. Possibly the best single witness of the apostasy of New Testament Christianity is the New Testament itself.
If there had not been an apostasy, there would have been no need for a restoration. There is but one man upon the earth, at one time, who holds the keys to receive commandments and revelations for the Church, and who has the authority to write doctrines by way of commandment unto the Church.
So, while the basic essencials were precerved, not everything was there are many errors in the Bible. The House of the Lord: I think that it will be like one giant family. Notice that the people involved, although unwilling to put up with correct teachings, desired teachings nonetheless. I said that when the circomstances and the question asked are considered it does not directly deny the doctrine. Here is the full actual quote rather than the snippet typically used by anti-Mormons:.
Your trapped by your own creeds here Stephanie. Talmage asserts that there was a falling away in the Americas by quoting I Netphi If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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The church has done a great job of trying to distance itself from some early church teachings and beliefs. A major source talmave heretical teaching was gnosticism. But, the Catholic Church is crystal clear on how they view all other Christian denominations italics present in the original:.